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Hiram K Hackenbacker
28th December 2011, 06:19 PM
Okay, Hiram's off his rocker I hear you say. But I thought I'd give this a go. It's pretty clear that most people on this forum don't hold much love for Thunderbirds 2004. For some, it's an obscene gesture aimed at the series we all love. For others, it's a mistake that's best forgotten, or at best, a disappointment. However, on a recent re-watch, I've taken the opportunity to make some notes that I'd like to share and see if we can get a discussion going.

I'll start with the negatives:

Negatives:
The Storyline - The big one, and my main gripe with the film. Whoever wrote the story obviously had no grasp of the source material. Even if the movie was aimed at kids, it fails, because kids don't want to watch other kids running around a jungle. They want to watch grown heroes rescuing other people from disaster. Due to the nature of the story, we're also robbed of any meaningful screen time for any of the other Tracy brothers.

International Rescue's rubbish security - Rather than maintaining secrecy at all costs, "The Thunderbirds" seem more than happy to wear uniforms sporting their names and allow world news crews to take unrestricted footage of their rescue operations.

FAB 1 - Pink? Yes. Six Wheels? Check. Pity everything else sort of falls apart after that. At around 23 feet long and with a turning circle that would embarrass most oil tankers, the Rolls...err...Ford monstrosity makes it potentially the least roadworthy car in the world.

New characters - I'm all for new characters when they serve a purpose, but for me, they were wasted in this adaptation. Again we come back to the quality of the story as the blame for their inclusion. Fermat wouldn't be in the film if the story didn't require another youngster to join Alan's quest. Transom and Mullion are rather silly as The Hood could basically use his powers for protection and I'm pretty sure his intellect is more impressive that Transom's. Tin Tin's mother is the most perplexing inclusion though. Has Kyrano some aversion to cooking? Or perhaps it was just to stop people asking "Why doesn't Tin Tin have a mother either?"


Positives:
Special Effects - For a film shot in 2004, most of the effects still hold up reasonably well.

Thunderbird craft - While there are some major departures in the designs of the Thunderbirds and support craft, the key components are still there, and they look quite functional. My personal favourites are TB3 and the Mole

The Music - While not holding a candle to the genius of Barry Gray, Hans Zimmer manages to admirably score many of the action scenes in the film. Any scenes featuring cues from the original theme are particular favourites of mine. Lets just avoid mentioning Busted...

Casting - Sophia Myles, Ron Cook and Sir Ben Kingsley give wonderfully entertaining performances as Lady Penelope, Parker and The Hood. Special mention must also go to Bill Paxton and Lex Shrapnel as Jeff and John Tracy respectively, Shrapnel being the best cast of the five Tracy boys in my humble opinion. The video call between Jeff and John is one of the films highlights for me.

The Oil Rig Rescue - In terms of excitement, this sequence is the only one in the film that approaches the brilliance of the original series. If the rest of the film had followed in a similar vein, I believe Thunderbirds 2004 could well be fondly remembered by many fans of the original.

Design - I have to admire the mix of retro and futuristic design in this film, especially in the Tracy Island structures. The interiors of the Thunderbird craft also add modern plausibility to the ships. My least favourite design in the film is the IR uniform, which in reality is a lazy copy of a racing jumpsuit with the simple addition of an IR badge and name tag.


Summary:

If I were to rate this film in comparison to the original series, it would score 2/10, but judging it against such a high standard seems rather unfair. I therefore elect to judge it stand alone on its own merits. In this case, Thunderbirds 2004 scores an overall 6.5/10 from me. An enjoyable film, but rather let down by the story.

I'd love to hear a few of your opinions and I hope I've sparked a few ideas for a healthy debate :)

Steve Gerard
28th December 2011, 07:05 PM
Negatives:
The Storyline - The big one, and my main gripe with the film. Whoever wrote the story obviously had no grasp of the source material. Even if the movie was aimed at kids, it fails, because kids don't want to watch other kids running around a jungle. They want to watch grown heroes rescuing other people from disaster. Due to the nature of the story, we're also robbed of any meaningful screen time for any of the other Tracy brothers.

International Rescue's rubbish security - Rather than maintaining secrecy at all costs, "The Thunderbirds" seem more than happy to wear uniforms sporting their names and allow world news crews to take unrestricted footage of their rescue operations.


Absolutely agree, these were the two major problems that I had with the film.

Also, did you notice that the characters' dialogue kept using the word 'Thunderbirds' instead of 'International Rescue' as they did in the original series. It is as if the director thought the audience could not grasp that the Thunderbirds were the rescue vehicles and International Rescue is the organization that they are from.

Derek Eaton
28th December 2011, 08:29 PM
From memory - I liked the opening cartoon title sequence and then basically its all downhill.

Chrisof
28th December 2011, 10:53 PM
I was recently at the Belfast Cinemagic award ceremony (having just lost). They presented a life time achievement ward to Mark Huffam and showed clips from the various movies he produced (thunderbirds quite extensively.

Needless to say, i did not clap...

At the end of the day i would level the movies failure at the producers and the writers, i'm sure if Jonatahn Frakes had been asked to do a faithful edge of the seat disaster movie/ thriller he would have given us one. Instead he was asked to do an underdog story aimed at young children and in this regard he delivered one which is actually above average. My girlfriend loved it at the time and younger people than me have fond memories of it as well (arguably a sign of "generation Y".)

It could have been infinitely better if it had been taken seriously, i just wish they could have realised what they had was more than just a brand name.

Troy54321
28th December 2011, 11:19 PM
I think Jonathan Frakes made the movie he was asked to make by the producers and script writers. To that end he did a professional job and no blame should rest with him for the movie that we were all so disappointed by. Sadly the producers and writers ignored the things that had made the series endure for so long and instead went about making what was in effect a twist on the 'Spy Kids' franchise. It was a big and expensive mistake. I just hope that it hasn't poisoned Thunderbirds in the mind of any financiers that might have been thinking about backing a new series by Gerry. Its been nearly a year since Gerry announced he had the rights to make a news series. The silence has been deafening since then.

Nils
2nd January 2012, 08:49 AM
embarrasingly enough, when the movie first came out here,......i was the only one in the theatre watching it :D

what i liked:

-casting
-Thunderbird designs (except for TB4)
-special effects
-oilrig rescue
-good music (thank you Hans Zimmer)

what i didnt like:

-the additional characters (Mulion, Transom and especially Fermat)
-the poor script
-the cheesy sound effects (talking about the childish Boing, zoom, Ding,....during fightscenes)
-the entire concept of IR they got wrong.
-some Tracy Brothers in the wrong vehicles


my review:

i think Thunderbirds 2004 was good movie, to entertain a 5 year old.
but to Gerry Anderson and the mayority of its fanbase, this movie got shot down more times then turkeys at a turkeyshoot. the humor is as funny as a screendoor on a submarine, NOT.

what i did like about the movie was the redesigned and updated Thunderbrird craft. i think Thunderbirds 2 & 3 really sticked close to the orriginal 60's design. Castingwise, i think the movie was OK.

now, what i didnt like.

overall, the above were the only things i liked about the movie, i think there are more bad things then good.
so lets review shall we.

i think what most people ticked off was the addition of extra characters. especially Brains's Son, Fermat. i mean come on, seriously, Brains has a son. no offence to mister Hackenbacker, but where did he find a wife, or did he just played mad scientist one day and desided to clone himself. not to mention the bad acting. especially in terms of Anthony Edwards, ive seen him in ER and Top Gun, but Thunderbirds is propably the one he wil regret forever. at least in the series, Brains could finish a sentence but here they really over exsaturated with the stutter.

another thing that REALLY ruined it for me was the over obvious product outplacement, why not retitle the whole thing as "Ford: the movie". i mean, does really everything have to be made & sponsorred by ford.

and lets not mention the cheesy sound effects they added to what could have been the best scenes in the film. do we really need all that Slap, Boing, Ring, wee...sounds in a fightscene?

the script itsself was horrible, nuff said.

to be honnest, i dont even think the makers of the movie even bothered to watch the original show. i mean since when is Gordon Tracy the astronaut, and since when was John the eldest of the brothers. and Jeff Tracy on an actual rescue mission flying Thunderbird 2?
and like mentioned before, since when does International Rescue allow the TV camera's to film there actions, what ever happened to they're "No Pictures, No Film" policy.

if there is anything els i should mention, i would just be repeating all that what the others said above.


conclusion

the only thing Thunderbirds has in common with the original show, is the title.
all in all, this is nothing more then a cheesy Spy Kids movie with a Thunderbirds sticker on it.
the movie has just as much in common with the show then an Apple (fruit) has with an Apple iPhone.

if they just stuck with the original 1997 scripts and actually involve Gerry Anderson, this movie could have been a blockbuster. instead, we get a fim that isnt even worth the paper the script is printed on.

i am a big fan of the original thunderbirds series, and after seeing the movie, i was utterly dissapointed. although the special FX and the soundtrack was good, it still wasnt as good as the original show.

all in all, i give it 3/10.

Picasso61
2nd January 2012, 01:37 PM
I have said this before about this disaster of a film but after reading through these comments about the Thunderbirds film I'm glad that I didn't waste my money going to to the cinema on its release also I'm glad that I didn't waste my money buying the DVD. What a load of rubbish.

capt_ochre
5th January 2012, 11:58 PM
I don't think it's quite as bad as everyone makes out. Granted, the story is pretty poor and I am not a fan of the new characters either. Realistically in a live action film and in today's age with so many people having phones and so on...what's the big deal about people photographing the craft? It's going to happen from a number of people watching the rescues and IR can't stop that.

The music is outstanding, and if you listen to the score in detail Zimmer has introduced a number of motifs which he repeats in different variations throughout. Speaking of which, the Thunderbirds theme blasting as TB1 and 2 roar overhead in the cinemas was absolutely incredible and easily worth the price of admission alone.

The designs are cool, and I don't see what the big deal with brothers swapping crafts is. Scott pilots TB1, Virgil is in green uniform (indicating TB2 pilot) in the final scene and promo shoots, Gordon in TB3 and John TB5. Obviously it's a lot more realistic that Gordon pilots Thunderbird 3 and Alan TB4. The final scene indicates Jeff isn't going to go on the missions anymore as Alan now fills that role. The film is a prequel, don't forget. In the show, Alan piloted TB1 and Gordon was aboard TB5 and Virgil and Brains piloting TB3 in the same episode, so it's not as if the original series didn't swap pilots around either.

The uniforms are great, they did make the caps but didn't work after screen tests. I just purchased John's screenused TB5 uniform and if anyone's interested in purchasing any of the other uniforms PM me and I'll forward you the seller's email address he is very friendly and helpful.

It's a good movie but could have been great.

7/10

colin
22nd April 2012, 10:04 PM
One thing that wouldn't have been difficult to improve was the titles:

http://youtu.be/WKkruo8wwJc

Steve Gerard
23rd April 2012, 04:36 PM
One thing that wouldn't have been difficult to improve was the titles:

http://youtu.be/WKkruo8wwJc

Agree, so true.